I remember something that happened to me a few years ago that reminded me of the programmed witnessing of a jw. i was out with a friend (a jw) going for a drive and he brings us to a home to meet a guy that was an amway salesman and my friend had been encouraging me to get involved with amway. " There was no way i was going to sell toothpaste" i told him. after introductions this guy starts the pitch. "our products have higher quality ingredients, delivered to your door how conveinent" blah, blah then heoffers me a popsicle. "Isn't that the best popsicle" he brags, "its ok" i reply, "but it has real juice in it" . "so do the ones at the store" again i reply. " maybe you should try a cherry one" he says in a curt tone, " dude its a popsicle" i reply. i am sensing the hostility at this point and i tell my friend "I have to get back" at that point the man looks to my friend and tells him, " mark your friend doesnt APPRECIATE FINE THINGS , ITS GOOD YOU DO". and from then on wouldnt look my way and was content selling my friend his overpriced merchandise. now im not trying to dis amway some love the stuff, but to me its just stuff i was having fun with the sell at all cost attutude and when i wasn't buying he basically shunned me. reminded me of the pioneer spirit.
Evidently Apostate
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ITS JUST A POPSICLE!
by Evidently Apostate ini remember something that happened to me a few years ago that reminded me of the programmed witnessing of a jw.
i was out with a friend (a jw) going for a drive and he brings us to a home to meet a guy that was an amway salesman and my friend had been encouraging me to get involved with amway.
" there was no way i was going to sell toothpaste" i told him.
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What happened to the questions in the Watchtower and why?
by Listener incould someone please advise why the questions for public study on a sunday are no longer in the watchtower?.
also a while ago now the gatherings in private homes during the week for study also stopped.. i was told that it was in preparation of armageddon so that individuals could become more independant and have more time to establish their relationship directly with jehovah.
this was because the gb felt people were relying on the organization too much in providing their spiritual needs and with armageddon it may be that jws will not be able to access the support network that they currently have.
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welcome listener,
the society has dropped the book study at peoples homes a while ago , whatever the excuse they give the real reason is noone was attending, the book study has always had the lowest attendance of the meetings. instead they made it a family worship night which basically lets the family decide to spend time reading bible literiture and yet very few of the flock are taking this seriously as there is always something from the platform about not having a regular FWN. you wont see questions in the mags because you are reading the glossy get you in the door love bomb magazine. they separate the public version from the affectionatly known kool aid edition. that one is for those attending meetings and has all the questions. drink up
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Have you ever had " a moment of clarity"?
by elderelite inthese moments are something that not eveyone has experianced, but if you have they are with you every day.
a true moment of clarity is not something you live once.
you live it every time you think of it.
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Evidently Apostate
EE, i also dive and spent a week wreck diving around grand caymen, the water was so clear i could see the boats name at 110 feet. feeling waitless in a different world is amazing. i usually dive in new england water cold and dark but i like the adrenaline rush that comes with 6 ft visability and the lobsters.
my clarity moment
i have to admit i have not had a very stable childhood. not growing up a jw had nothing to do with it poor parenting was to blame. anyway i was around 17 and had been coping with depression by self medicating and was starting to use cocaine. i felt powerful when i smoked it and had went with a friend to the projects to score a couple grams. we found a guy who took us to a girls apt, she looked horrible missing teeth, hair was a mess anyway there were a few people smoking so i made a purchase and started to make my rock and the girl tells me " ill s#$k your d&*k for a hit. she said this with no shame and it caused me to look around my environment through the smoke and stench i noticed a toddler in a playpen crying that i hadnt seen before that. in that moment i stood up left the drugs told my friend i am leaving. we left i reached a market with a phone and called the police and gave them the apt #. never again touched the stuff.
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anyone that would use god to separate a family and/or close friends is a demonic force not a positive belief system
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It's tough learning the truth
by Cook My Socks UK inthis just came to me(after a few jd's).. i need another study!
i was raised a jw as yound child and so have known nothing else(bar a few christmas and birthdays), what i read makes sense but doesn't make sense at the same time.
i find it easy to dismiss what i read here but inside know it's not being true to myself.
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Evidently Apostate
i can only speak for myself but how much of your life are you willing to surrender. when you sit through a meeting and see others nodding to something that you know is bull how does it make you feel. are you willing to knock on a strange persons door and attempt to convince them they need to give up the life they have now for a false hope and possibly scar them forever. you will have to fake enthusiasm for things that turn your stomach, in time it may cause health problems both mental and phsycal. look at the "friends" you have in the "truth" and realize thier love for you will turn to hate and disgust because of one sentence read from a platform. and remember this cycle of happiness lasts a lifetime.
sorry to be heavy i too am coming to grips with this myself. stay strong man
EA
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question for those with husbands/wives in the borg
by Evidently Apostate inhow do you respond when they question your enlightenment?
do you find yourself holding back explaining specific doctrinal flaws or let it fly both barrels?
i know we want our loved one to see things for what they are but even a tactfull response will cause the borg teachings to take over and everything becomes an absolute with my wife.
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thank you all, the openess to discuss very personal issues is a big help to me and i am sure others. brotherdan and wannabefree i understand your frustration, just the word apostate will change facial expressions the ablility to listen becomes impossible and i have observed my wife trying to leave the room, it reminds me of how jws viewed the guys who used to picket DC's. I just came back from the bobble head convention,i mean kingdom hall, the circiut overseer is here, he talked to the cong like they were 7 y.olds i imagined them in a big circle on the rug drinking juice boxes. complete waste o time. i have a hard time trying not to show the contempt in my expressions. its a lonely road we walk. i do have a game plan similar to those from OTWO i also stopped discussing specific doctrine with her and hope some in the hall will attack my charicter because of my inactivity. if elders come calling at the house she will hopefully see the truth in my words with them and i am working on a strategy that will bring up my doubts and the wt flaws without answering the questions that would lead to a jc meeting and just maybe she will see the oppresive control they so lovingly administer.
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question for those with husbands/wives in the borg
by Evidently Apostate inhow do you respond when they question your enlightenment?
do you find yourself holding back explaining specific doctrinal flaws or let it fly both barrels?
i know we want our loved one to see things for what they are but even a tactfull response will cause the borg teachings to take over and everything becomes an absolute with my wife.
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gary, someday your little girl is going to read or hear that everyone not a jw is going to be murdered by god, that burns in my mind. i have kids and the lies they will be told about me if i leave is something i think about daily. i do think our wives are similar in that they are born ins and will follow the status quo
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question for those with husbands/wives in the borg
by Evidently Apostate inhow do you respond when they question your enlightenment?
do you find yourself holding back explaining specific doctrinal flaws or let it fly both barrels?
i know we want our loved one to see things for what they are but even a tactfull response will cause the borg teachings to take over and everything becomes an absolute with my wife.
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Evidently Apostate
ND: he doesn't want to go there.
same line of thinking with my wife, no answer just where do we go, and wait on god
ND: i am just waiting and hoping things will change.
i am begining to think they wont for me
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question for those with husbands/wives in the borg
by Evidently Apostate inhow do you respond when they question your enlightenment?
do you find yourself holding back explaining specific doctrinal flaws or let it fly both barrels?
i know we want our loved one to see things for what they are but even a tactfull response will cause the borg teachings to take over and everything becomes an absolute with my wife.
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moshe, i have been to counseling but unless the counselor understands the jw commitment it really was a waste of time, i have thought about moving on but i really see how she refuses to think for herself and to me that is the brainwashing if i could circumvent the wall i could gently help her see the truth.
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question for those with husbands/wives in the borg
by Evidently Apostate inhow do you respond when they question your enlightenment?
do you find yourself holding back explaining specific doctrinal flaws or let it fly both barrels?
i know we want our loved one to see things for what they are but even a tactfull response will cause the borg teachings to take over and everything becomes an absolute with my wife.
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Evidently Apostate
how do you respond when they question your enlightenment? do you find yourself holding back explaining specific doctrinal flaws or let it fly both barrels? i know we want our loved one to see things for what they are but even a tactfull response will cause the borg teachings to take over and everything becomes an absolute with my wife. i feel pretty alone inside.